Breastfeeding in Ireland

Breastfeeding in IrelandWell, it’s Irish Breastfeeding week and, seeing as how I have some personal experience with the Irish attitudes toward the topic, I thought I’d share them in case any of you are planning an Irish trip with an infant.

The good news is that Irish people LOVE babies. You will be stopped on the street and told how beautiful your child is. People will talk directly to your child as if he or she can understand them. Women will accuse your baby boy of flirting with them. Your baby girl will be the recipient of numerous offers of arranged marriages. Your baby will be welcome everywhere: hotels, restaurants, pubs (up to 7:30pm in most pubs, though rural pubs can be more lenient). The long tradition of large, catholic families has ingrained into the Irish an acceptance of the presence of babies in everyday life and, in general, they love them.

The not-so-great (and kind of unexpected) news is that Irish people, in general, do not breastfeed.

According to a recent World Health Organization survey, Ireland has the lowest percentage of breastfeeding mothers in Europe. This IS changing, thanks mostly to things like this, the second annual Irish National Breastfeeding Week. I’ve noticed that, in reaction to the negative attitude, breastfeeding Irish mothers tends to be a bit aggressive, whipping the aul boobies out in public squares, busses, conventions, batmitzvahs, concerts and political events and as if they HOPE someone is going to take issue with them doing so in public. That might sound obnoxious out of context, so here’s some context:

A girl I work with recently had a baby. She asked me whether my wife was going to breastfeed, explaining that she herself hadn’t because her mother and grandmother had said, scornfully, “You’re not going to do THAT, are you??” True story.

Here’s another one: On a radio show here recently the DJ was discussing (of all things) bringing one’s dog to a restaurant. A woman who takes her dogs to her local restaurant to eat their birthday dinners off the table rang in. Amidst other caller’s protests that what she was doing was objectionable, she exclaimed in her defense, “Well! It’s not like I’m breastfeeding in public or something!” I was so incensed at her comment that I broke a personal rule and actually rang the radio station.

It would seem that after centuries of Catholic morality lessons, the Irish sensibilities have turned breastfeeding into a shameful and unquestionably socially inappropriate activity. Almost no one out here was breastfed as a child and neither were their parents. The thing is, as a member of the European Union, there are certain external pressures on Irish society. One of these pressures emerged with that W.H.O. survey. If Ireland wants to continue to receive EU subsidies for their healthcare system, they need to toe the line on certain health issues, such as breastfeeding.

So, the Irish government has initiated a HUGE push to promote breastfeeding. It’s being discussed on the news, in the papers and on the radio. In the ward at the hospital where our munchkin was born, the walls were plastered with posters and leaflets on breastfeeding’s benefits (my personal favourite was the one where it was zoomed in on an attractive girl’s chest in a t-shirt reading “The Best Milk in the World - See inside for details” One has to wonder how that jives with the sexualization of the breasts that led to the Irish aversion to breastfeeding in the first place). Personally, I think some statues of the Virgin Mary breastfeeding baby Jesus would do the trick for Ireland . . .

At the end of the day, if you’re a breastfeeding mother planning to visit Ireland, do your thing, honey . . . just keep in mind that the infrequent scornful looks you may get come from folks who were raised in a different way of thinking.

Give ‘em a smile and remember you’re doing the best possible thing for your baby.

Yayyy for boobies!

Links:
Irish Breastfeeding week
Ireland’s only human milk bank


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emily | October 7th, 2007 at 8:18 am
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason we love babies so much and have the highest birthrate in the EU is because we DON’T breastfeed?

In other countries they can’t get the natives to reproduce for love nor money. The reason is because the nanny state has turned parenthood into a nightmare of burden and guilt. They demand women endure unwanted hours of daily tit sucking for years on end and label those with lives as selfish.

They remove the joy of parenthood, not understanding that children are supposed to be incorporated into a family and a community. A real community is one that allows women to participate fully and make her own choices.

It is no suprise that countries with high breastfeeding rates such as Sweden and Norway also have the highest number of children being raised without a man around the house. Once a woman has a child she is a harrassed milk cow with no time to be a wife, lover or friend.
A childs outcome in life is determined by whether or not the father is in the home, breastfeeding makes no difference.

These countries also have the highest suicide rates of women, most of them post partum!

Ireland is the best place to be a woman, sadly foreigners are invading our sovereignty demanding we go back to the dark ages with their silly tit obsessions. We will not be dictated to by a bunch of self appointed ninnies. These people need to get lives, live and let live and you can be as happy as we are.

Misery loves company, irish people have enough sense to ignore this guilt tripping nonsense and get on with it!

Sean Lightholder | October 11th, 2007 at 10:09 am
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Emily,

Tit obsession? What is this, the mid-1970s?

Did you think your breasts were just a nice way to fill out a sweater?

Consider that you are taking sides with a woman who feeds her dogs off the table in a restaurant.

Breastfed children have fewer infections, higher intelligence scores and a greater sense of security. I won’t even get into the mother-child bond and benefits to the mother. It’s a fact that breastfeeding is just about the best thing a child can get in the way of benefits during the first few months of life.

“Harassed milk cow”? “Unwanted hours of daily tit sucking”? Speaking as a parent I can testify: bottles & sanitising & the hassle of carting around gear for formula - not to mention the cost . . . it takes WAY more time & effort to feed your infant artificially! Add at least a couple more hours of stress & responsibility onto your day if you bottle feed - a breastfeeding mother has more time and a lot less clutter in her life.

Remove the joy of parenthood? What mother doesn’t take pleasure in intimate contact with her baby? Also, breastfeeding does not, normally, go for “years on end.” In general, when teeth come, the breast goes. Besides, the endorphins released during breastfeeding make you feel GOOD, not “harassed.”

As far as breastfeeding and a man in the house . . . I’m not even going to touch your premise that the male figure solely determines a person’s fate, but what on earth has that got to do with the issue of breastfeeding and whether it’s good for you or not? By the time a father’s presence starts having a comperable impact to the person who carried a child for 9 mos and then birthed it into the world . . . the breastfeeding period is ending.

You know, the Chinese have the incredibly low instance of breastfeeding you so laud. You see, in China, there’s a stigma: only dirty, impoverished Chinese peasants breastfeed! The modern, weathly chinese woman can afford a bottle! This is the attitude you’re applauding?

Also, Ireland has one of the highest suicide rates in Europe - check your facts.

Sure, as the son of a lactation consultant I have the unique benefit of knowing how great breastfeeding is. It sounds like you know very little about it - nor do you care to. I hope you change your mind. I’m sure if you read a little about it or had some personal experience (I’m guessing you weren’t a breastfed baby yourself) you would change your tack.

And as far as guilt-tripping goes - your vitriolic diatribe against something so beautiful hardly sounds like it came from a “happy” person. If Irish breastfeeding women seem a bit militant it’s because of having to deal with critical attacks from people like yourself.

You’ve really got it backward: it’s guilt that stopped breastfeeding in Ireland; religious overmodesty killed off the practice over the centuries. The misguided oppressive male attitude of a few priests, sister; this is who you’re aligning yourself with. To them, breasts were simply not okay, even for feeding one’s baby.

The modern Irish woman is just starting to get out from under this archaic attitude - please don’t hold her back.

I suppose I should thank you for illustrating the negative attitude that, unfortunately, many breastfeeding mothers encounter in Ireland.

In the future though, if you want to talk about father figures, women’s rights or broken homes - please don’t do it on my breastfeeding page.

Tanya | October 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
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I don’t think that there is anything silly about encouraging behaviours that lower the risk of a huge range of health problems, from infections to diabetes to cancer. Any government that *didn’t* warn the public of these risks would be using my taxes irresponsibly.

Great article, Sean!

Tanya

Mary | October 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
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Oh horror! Who is this masked gunman (or woman) running rampant through Western Europe “demanding women endure unwanted hours of daily tit sucking for years on end”?! And how is he/she able to be in so many places at once? Whoever it is “they” are clearly running amok and need to be stopped! If we’re taking names for Interpol there was a very suspicious man sitting next to me on a train recently…
In all seriousness, as a citizen of both Ireland and the US, I’ve not seen, known or heard of anyone in either country being “forced” to breastfeed. How would one even go about that, physically push an innocent woman’s breast into her infants mouth? Let’s be realistic, no one forces women to breastfeed. It’s a CHOICE, and one we are all entitled to make for ourselves. All Mr. Lightholder is trying to do is educate the public-GOD forbid-about a topic continually evolving as more research is done.
Though I’m loathe to confuse the irrational with facts, in scientifically conducted, randomly sampled studies breastfeeding is associated with greater mental development in pre-term infants, lower occurrence of crib death (also known as sudden infant death syndrome), lower incidence of middle ear infections, lower occurrence of lung infections, lower risk for diarrhea which can be fatal in infants, lower rehospitalisation rates, lower incidences of obesity later in life, as well as lower risk for many childhood diseases such as asthma, to name a few.
Emily, I implore you to throw off your loincloth and begin walking upright already.
“Foreigners invading sovereignty”? Are you serious?
Please.
May I recommend you pick up ‘The World is Flat’ by Thomas L. Friedman. It’s an excellent book on globalization and may help you understand the world as we know it in 2007. Unless, of course, by foreigners you mean non-whites, then I suggest ‘The Sin of Racism: How to be set free’ by Selena Johnson. As for your fear of change, I recommend ‘Who Moved My Cheeze?’ by Spencer Johnson, M.D.
And if anyone is so inclined as to take Emily’s advice-hypocritical though it may seem-and MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND, I’ve included below several links to websites featuring research on breastfeeding.
The U.S. National Institute of Health, Child & Human Development
http://www.nichd.nih.gov/
Department of Health & Children (Ireland)-or (god forbid I sound foreign)-An Roinn Slainte Agus Leanai
http://www.dohc.ie/?lang=en
World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/en/

Megan | October 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
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Emily,

As happy as you are??? Emily you sound like a very angry, bitter, resentful, but most likely highly unhappy individual. Truly I feel sad that you seem to have such a negative view on such a miraculous thing. Women not only have the incredible gift of being able to grow a new life inside them but then to nourish that child from her own body, the way God intended. How fulfilling! How satisfying! How perfect.
I’m rather irked that you had to defile the beauty of this article with your ignorance. How you can possibly propose that the presence of a man in the home is what determines a child’s life and breastfeeding has nothing to do with it? Is it perhaps, that you were raised with neither, hence your bitter, unhappy outlook?
Hours on end??? A harassed milk cow?? I had the privilege to BF all of my children and not once would I say I felt like a harassed milk cow. It sure was easier than toting around formula and the other stuff of bottlefeeding. and an awful lot less expensive. As a Doula I support whatever decision the mother makes. But I’ve seen firsthand the incredible, undeniable physical and emotional benefits of BF to mother and child. Did you know that it is this “liquid gold” is what helps some premature babies not only survive but thrive? The fulfillment I’ve seen women experience with the knowledge that they can provide the very thing their new baby needs results in such a feeling of strength and empowerment. Clearly, you have no true knowledge of breastfeeding. Perhaps you missed the days they were teaching anatomy and physiology. It is glaringly obvious that you failed to get adequate information before voicing such outlandish claims. Next time, do your homework. Thank goodness I live in the States where women are educated about the benefits of breastfeeding and empowered to do so if they choose without fear of being ostracized.

Mark White | October 11th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
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“Though I’m loathe to confuse the irrational with facts, in scientifically conducted, randomly sampled studies breastfeeding is associated with greater mental development in pre-term infants, lower occurrence of crib death (also known as sudden infant death syndrome), lower incidence of middle ear infections, lower occurrence of lung infections, lower risk for diarrhea which can be fatal in infants, lower rehospitalisation rates, lower incidences of obesity later in life, as well as lower risk for many childhood diseases such as asthma, to name a few.”

and the disadvantages are?!?!?

Mama Luxe | October 12th, 2007 at 1:58 am
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

First, let me say…breastfeeding has a whole host of wonderful benefits for mom and baby. While it can be difficult at the start, it gets easier and I wouldn’t trade it!

Future Mamas, if you are interested in breastfeeding, do yourself a favor and find out about it from a reliable source and try it out. You can always wean, but you can’t suddenly breastfeed if you didn’t start out that way early on.

Now, on to addressing this ridiculous comment. I won’t go into the argument because it is just patently absurd and others have already taken care of that.

What I want to point out is that the statistics are just completely made up! First, with any statistics there are some issues of how they were gathered. With suicides, there is especially a reporting problem. If the society frowns on suicide, like, for example, because the majority is, oh, say, Roman Catholic, suicide will be under-reported.

That being said, in this case, what the commenter said just isn’t true.

Look for yourselves:

Suicide rates among women:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_sui_rat_fem-health-suicide-rate-females

Rates are actually highest in former Soviet countries (where breastfeeding is LOW). This high suicide rate is probably due to a complex number of factors including everything from economics, weather, and social factors, and lowest in Roman Catholic and warm weather countries. My guess is that the Islamic countries are under-reporting as well.

As far as divorce goes, again, there is a religious issue, but I’d like to see a cite even saying that these countries have the highest percentage. I’m willing to bet that is a completely made up stat, as well.

Finally, I bet countries such as Sweden and Norway have the highest rates because women are able to take off work long enough to establish a good breastfeeding relationship. Not that I’m advocating socialism at all. Just to point that out.

Jessica | October 12th, 2007 at 10:40 am
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Dear Emmy

I read your article against breastfeeding and I have to admit that I was shocked.

I am a breastfeeding mother, doing so for seven month already and I have to say that I love my little son as much as any mother could love her child, which is an ability that you deny me in your article.

I am proud of my breastfeeding my child, and I do not endure \\

Corin | October 18th, 2007 at 6:29 am
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Wow, Emily, you sound very angry and sad.

I would really hope that you might do some much needed research on the subject. It would very much enlighten you I think.

Lori | October 21st, 2007 at 2:23 pm
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Sadly, I don\’t think anything said here or to Emily will change her mind and I don\’t think she is likely to do any research.
I can happily say, however, that I am thoroughly enjoying breastfeeding my almost 14mth old daughter. She loves it and I wouldn\’t have it any other way. It is such a beautiful thing and very convenient as well as good for her.
Lori

Megan | October 26th, 2007 at 5:44 am
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To Emily and all,
I feel I understand your comment. It expresses anger and rage.
The Irish culture has truly embraced formula feeding possibly as a perceived release(from what I don’t know I’m not Irish)
Formula feeding has obviously become a cultural and social belief in Ireland since the invention in 1865…and for anyone to attack that belief must expect retaliation.

It is the same when Western culture is “blamed” for its cry-it-out methods of baby sleep training and the links to adult mental health issues.

The ideas of treat them rough to grow up tough and the ever expanding drug and alcohol abuse.

It is only with courage, strength and willingness we can begin to understand that our cultural beliefs are not was good as they might first seem.
As science, biology, health care, psychology and human development studies leap ahead we can understand the importance of child care.

The benefits for a Mother to breastfeed such as lowering the risks of future health problems like breast cancer.
For our children’s benefits of attachment, healthy brain development, healthy immune systems and many more benefits for both.
And we must also look at benefits for the over all society of producing children with good health both in brain and body.

But this information must be given with care and respect as with all information give if it is contrary to what a parent believes it will be treated with suspicion and rejection…even if it is right and the best for our most beloved children.

ella | November 7th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
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Hey Emily,

I’m happily breaetfeeding my second daughter for 20 months now and do not intend to stop any time before she wants to. Unlike what you think, I do not feel like a milk cow (never did), have a fantastic sex life with my husband (yes, still) and I have experienced that breastfeeding makes things a lot easier for a woman. I feel liberated when the power goes off, I don’t need to boil water for formula bottles. I feel liberated when my plane is delayed, I don’t need to make my baby last on the number of formula feeds I brought. Stuck in traffic? No problem, I don’t have to frantically search for that extra bottle I thought I packed… I can just pull over and feed her there and then. Free as a bird.



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